Todd Hunter: Church is a byproduct

March 7, 2009

Much has been said about ways to improve, deconstruct, or fix church. …But in our concern, passion and zeal, have we been barking up the wrong tree?

Recently, I posted Where does real church happen? Big vs. small in which I argued that churches should emphasize small gatherings over large gatherings. And I still think I have a point, harrumph. But Keith Seckel gave me loving slap of caution in his comment. I think he and I are on the same page more often than not, so I didn’t quite grasp what he was getting at.

Today Keith is live-twittering updates from a Kingdom and Missionality training event. It looks like it’s organized by Dr. Winn Griffin of Allelon, featuring teaching by Todd Hunter. A couple of tidbits helped me understand Keith’s caution to me. (Twitter updates are limited to 140 characters, so what we get is little nuggets of information.)

Church is not vendor of goods/services. It *is* the product, & :. not worth focus. God is PRODUCER & worthy of focus

The size of church is not ultimate. Church itself is only derivative. From rule/reign of God. Mindset/worldview of God

—Answering a question on Facebook, Keith explained further:
Corollary to church as just the product. The heart of The Producer is more important and is simply that from which the church is derived. So church is secondary. HE is primary — but we focus on church so much…

Keith church model (mega/seeker/small/house) can’t be starting place to foster mindset. But with God’s mindset, any model can work.

Sorry, Keith: You say something, and I just furrow my eyebrows at you. But Todd Hunter says it, and I jump with shock. My gosh! Now I understand that this is what Mike Bishop has been arguing all along, since I first started blogging six years ago: Church is not the point, so don’t be distracted by it.

Jesus is the point.
The kingdom of God is the point.

Update: This weekend is not the end of this event. The two-day training will also be offered at:

Cost is a mere $25. Register here.

Jon Reid

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As an American missionary kid who grew up in Japan, I'm a child of two cultures, while not fully belonging to either. This gives me a sightly different view of the world.

2 responses to Todd Hunter: Church is a byproduct

  1. Thanks bro. I consider it justice — for years Cathy says something and I furrow my brow, but someone else says the same thing and it is a life-changing epiphany. 🙂
    Waddling on,
    ~ Keith

  2. Keith, I will share this post with my better half. I fully expect her to respond, “Well, duh.”